we have a documentary on fox nation. we'll be back tomorrow night. a show that is a sworn enemy of group think. see you tomorrow. >> sean: welcome to this special edition of "hannity." we begin with a fox news converse. pandemic confusion and biden failures. we bring you a hannity investigation into the disastrous handling of covid by joe biden and his administration. guess what? they're not ready for omicron 2.0. we'll tell you about it. we began our investigation in 2021 when joe biden inherited a country fully on the mend. every key tool to battle covid-19 was already in place.

he had it all. anyway, with all of that said, why all of a sudden did he ron out of mono clonal anti-bodies and covid tests around christmas when we knew we would have high incidents and high examples of people contracting the disease? no excuse of that. biden's border policies have been a disaster. why? he stopped the trump policy of stay in mexico, stopped building the wall and of course, there's no checks for people. you get special consideration if you're entering the country illegally. by entering illegally, there's no covid tests. jen psaki says because you're not going to be here very long. huh. you get the choose the state of your choice. no vaccine mandate. and then the economy. 40 year high of inflation. that's because of joe's economic policies, climate a largests, religious cult. all of these things under joe biden. then the key issue of energy.

with energy independence with donald trump handed off, guess what? didn't go very well by giving it all up. i want to get to the issue of ukraine. we have a wrenching update. as many noted, if russian troops stop fighting and started going home, there would be no war. if ukraine stops fighting, there would be no ukraine. look at the scenes we'll show you from bucha in the north of mariupol, in the south, why they say we need to know everything about the bloody war of aggression as it relates to be u but. you know, they can catch up. bodies line the streets in only what can be described as a hill on earth. civilians are being tortured, stabbed, strangled. reports of severed limbs. there's evidence that women have

been raped, children murdered, home pillages. the evidence is overwhelming of war crimes, hell on earth before your very eyes. entire apartment complexes are literally rubble. neighborhood rubble. mariupol, 95% of that city is russell. one 53-year-old man from bucha said that when the russians aarrived, they killed all local men below the age of 50. two of his friends were shot in front of him. another blown up with a grenade. bodies lining the streets. that's hell on earth. two of his friends shot in front of him, another blown up with a grenade. mass graves all over northern ukraine filled with the bodies of innocent civilians. more than 300 people were just

buried out so i of bucha. russian soldiers squatted in homes for weeks, eating their food and getting drunk on their liquor. all told, the horror, the inhumanity, this occupation of putin's war has been unimaginable. south of kyiv in the siege city of mariupol, we go back there. the conditions get worse every day. almost every single solitary building in the city has been torched or leveled by russian shelling. there's no power, there's no water, there's no food, there's no supplies. tens of thousands of civilians are trapped, cut off from the world as russia's onslaught continues. some were killed by cluster bombs, others die of starvation. it's an apocalyptic scene with extreme death toll. everywhere you look, there's evidence of war crimes. make no mistake, this blood is on one man's hands, vladimir putin. these people died all because of his territorial ambitions. that of a murdering dictator

thug. tonight the u.s. can do a lot to end this war. they can help drive russia out of ukraine once and for all in spite people lying about me saying hannity is calling for american troops on the ground. i am not. we don't need a no fly zone but we can't start world war iii with putin's russia. but the biden administration, the ukrainian people have shown valor, courage to fight for their own country. we can take a page out of the reagan doctrine instead of sending in waves of u.s. ground troops to foreign lands in a long bloody conventional war, reagan armed our allies, armed, for example, the moogahadine. they defeated the former soviet

union in the 80s. also, ronald reagan helped the freedom fighters, the contra rebels. they were successful. biden could do the same thing in conjunction with nato countries and western european countcount. two things need to happen. only two. american and western european weapons are not getting to ukraine fast enough. i do blame our lethargic federal government. we need to see the urgency. they're fighting it in real time, not through some bureaucratic red tape and slow leadership. they need a constant flow of stingers, javelins, drones, anti-missile, anti-aircraft systems and ammunition in the hands of the ukrainians and they need it without delay. you think about it. it's a nine-hour flight from washington d.c. to poland. that's it. you can do it very quickly. number 2, our allies in europe,

they need to stop funding the war. by funding it, i'm talking about countries like germany, many other western countries, they continue to purchase massive amounts of oil and gas from russia. guess what? that money is going into putin's pocket and that helps him fund this war. it's keeping his economy afloat. we're talking about billions of dollars every they. we can get our allies finally the energy that they need. guess what? but we have to be willing to produce it here in the united states and anywhere we can in the interim. they have to be willing to cut russia off once and for all. how many more carnage does europe and the u.s. need to see? you need to get ukraine the weapons that they need, quit buying russian oil and gas. if the free world can somehow manage to do those two things, thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of innocent lives will be saved. here with more is the award winning actor, film maker,

co-founder of core, his name is sean penn. how are you? thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> sean: i made a phone call to you. i read that you were there. the story interested me. if you were on this set, 99 out of 100 times, we probably would be in full disagreement, right? >> no question about that. >> sean: so i made the first phone call to you. i don't know if you remember. i said i'm interested in the work you're doing and even before the war started in this documentary you're doing. do you remember what you first said to me? >> i do. >> sean: what did you say? >> i said i don't trust you. >> sean: is there a reasondown don't trust me? >> a lot of reasons. a lot of people don't trust their spouse. but yet we have to get on with life. i never felt this way about where our country is and what i experienced emotionally in ukraine. it had not -- we all talk about

how divisive things are, how divided things are here. when you step into a country of incredible unity, you realize what we've all been missing. i don't think i've got time to indulge my lack of trust, which becomes a petty thing as pet and babies are being vaporized. these people are fighting for the dreams and aspiration of all of us americans. we talked about that, too. >> sean: we had a long conversation. >> we agreed on that. we have to -- >> sean: we'll worry about political disagreements another day. >> fair enough. >> sean: here's what i want to know. you were there in november of 2021. okay. we're not talking about the lead up to this conflict by point. >> right. >> sean: why were you there originally to do the documentary? what was it about ukraine or maybe it was about zelensky that interested you? >> i think i was on -- in a

better part of the population of most americans, any understanding of ukraine. what was ukraine, where is ukraine. with the exception of a phone call between president zelensky and president trump that was made a lot of and the fact that president zelensky had been a comedic actor that played a character that became the president and then became the president. we went initially to make a documentary that would bring home a sense of ukraine. >> sean: there's this build-up of vladimir putin on the eastern side of ukraine. >> right. >> sean: you got -- first we have 50,000 troops, then 100,000 troops and all the military equipment. you're chronicling all of this and you develop a relationship with zelensky. >> yeah. >> sean: tell us about this was unfolding, a lot of the world didn't think that putin would do it. i did think he would. >> all the experts thought to

thought he would. most of the experts that were speaking out in the united states intelligence agency and others felt that he would. i'll tell you to the last minute, i think a part of me that wanted to be in denial of what that would mean. to ukraine and ultimately to the world. i thought really? is there an upside to this? what i wasn't really savvy to was that i -- in particular, you know -- so universally the experts on putin felt this was going to happen. what didn't happen therefore were the preemptive sanctions on enough of a level before he was so deep in that the humiliation wasn't going to let it stop. you wouldn't have the simplicity of negotiations for regions to the east of mariupol to make the bridge from crimea. now it's this full-on assault

and here we are. >> sean: prior to zelensky, i didn't know a lot about zelensky like a lot of people until the infamous phone call. i still to this day think there's nothing to the phone call. separate issue. be had taken georgia in 08. he annexed crimea in 2014. he has shown a willingness to annex, take over land, showing his territorial ambitions. so you get there. you're interviewing zelensky at this time. did he see this coming? did he believe that this was real? >> well, it's interesting. we had met initially on a zoom call. >> sean: did you trust him? >> i was really interested to see who he was. >> sean: easy. >> i didn't have a baggage with him that i have with you. >> sean: what is the baggage? we never met before. >> it was a badge of honor in my house. i have the full screen that i dominated an enemy of the state

with you. >> sean: i don't remember. >> it's the truth. but here's what happened. because of covid, once we had gotten -- i sensed that he was very much considering giving us some kind of access and spending some time with us, we were delayed. we were delayed. so then we went back. we started shooting in november. we went to mariupol on the front lines. then we also were in kyiv and talking to musicians to get a sense of the culture. there was the wagner problem that was going on at the time. so the administration was very -- we couldn't see him. we came back. then this thing really escalated. so then we went -- i think we got there roughly a week before the invasion. we met him -- i met him face-to-face for the first time the day before the invasion. spent time with him, which we

document in the film during the invasion on the day of the invasion. i don't know that there's a person on earth who could know that they were born for such a day, that they could rise to it. >> sean: i want to make sure we're on the same page. when you say invasion, is this him taking the two regions, donbas or -- >> there were rockets coming in. this is when they took the airport out of kyiv. so it was game on. so -- in him i saw something that i have never seen before in my lifetime that -- like i said, having seen him, yes, prepared for it. yes, hoping against hope that it would not happen. a man who had not yet been challenged with it's happening. the next day i saw something that is a man but a man with the

adrenalized -- he's the face of something that you see in all of the ukrainians that we saw and talked to, whether they're in june norm, out of uniform, school teachers, even children. this extraordinary courage that has come up. it was in his eyes. it is clear to me that the ukrainians will win this. the question is at what cost. >> sean: did they have in the early hours -- i know trump gave them javelins. they had some defenses. they were the third largest nuclear power in the world. they made an agreement that they would give those weapons to russia to be destroyed in exchange for protection from russia, great britain and the u.s. lesson to be learned here, don't give up your nuclear weapons because you can't believe people like vladimir putin.

>> even countries that have nuclear weapons can remain intimidated to use them. i fear that legacy. nobody wants to see -- >> sean: i don't want to see one. >> at the same time if only one bully will use those weapons as a threat, we have to rethink what we'ring to. >> sean: the build-up, putin brought in 10,000 troops and 20,000 and up to 100,000 and it's clear, transparent and obvious that he was going in with the military equipment. i thought nato countries and western european countries and the it is should have anticipated what was obvious and arming the ukrainians for that moment. i don't think they were prepared either. am i wrong? >> look, this could happen tomorrow also. they could get f-16s in there.

we know that from the california national guard that has had a 30-year exercise training with ukrainian and we were there with the ukrainian aviators just shortly before they were pulled out because of the politics and the policies related to this impending invasion, now invasion. so i think we really have to rethink this. at this point, these are truly humanitarian mechanisms. >> sean: i want to -- i want to go back to this question. poland offered 28 or 29 migs. everybody says that joe biden vetoed that. forget politics. i think he made the wrong call. >> sean: nobody everybody cease he vetoed it. >> sean: whoever vetoed it -- >> some people say something that was meant to be covert got leaked and bake overt and that

compromised these nato partners. what matters to me is for a squadron, two squadrons is what it would take from everyone that is an expert to end this thing. that's about the $300 million. one billionaire could pay for those planes if the nato countries would let them fly in. >> sean: i look at -- i've had arguments with a lot of my friends here. i do not believe -- i think if we learned from recent history that politicians, republicans and democrats, they're all gung ho. they start these wars. they don't fight them to win them. they start the war gung ho and politicize it and then we lose our national treasure, our sons and daughters and others come home with debilitating injuries, lost legs, arms, deformities that you can imagine. i met many of them.

then they say never mind. like the disaster in afghanistan, they pull out. i'm not for one boot on the ground. ronald reagan had a doctrine. that was in the case of the former soviet union innovating afghanistan. he supplied missiles to them and they defeated the soviet union. i support that doctrine and i support the trump doctrine that if you fight a war, you push buttons using new technology and bomb the living adam schiff -- bomb the schiff out of -- >> i would argue you made this political and give me a chance -- >> sean: hold on. baghdadi and soleimani doctrines that i believe in. if we applied that here, i believe ukraine would win. what is your doctrine?

>> here's what we have to know. the ukrainians are fighting to win. they're fighting for the very thing that we're able to do right now to be free, to dream. that is what we say we represent as americans. so we have a great example of fighting to win. there's another part of it because we talked about the military part of it. the civilian part of it also is that we know -- you see conflict zones, journalists tragically some die. i'm going to finish my point. over and over, we can watch it on tv. why? you can be smart. you can know where the strategic zones are when -- whether it's a traditional war or not. people can move. so can aid. so one of the things we're not seeing by any scale, u.n. organizations, operating, they can.

they talk about security for aid and supplies being resourced to civilians and military. for civilians, armored vests are important. so one of the things i want to say just about what it is being there is that of course there are risks in a conflict zone. but it's not what we picture so afternoon about a bunch of here we come to save the day foreigners. you take one car and one truck of supplies to that border, give that truck and those supplies to ukrainians who aren't going to leave if you ask them to. they're going to be at risk with or without or help. so we might as well give them the help. they'll spring the supplies where they have to go. >> how is that any different than i'm saying supply the drones, supply the javelins, supply the stingers -- >> i'm not talking about anybody's doctrine. >> sean: no. the anti-missile systems, the

defense systems, the anti-aircraft systems. and i would give them the migs. so we're in agreement. >> we absolutely agree. >> fight the war to win it. defeat russia or -- >> or let them fight it to win it. they will. >> sean: let the ukrainians fight themselves. >> all right. we agree. >> sean: you've been there a lot. you want to poland for a period of time. and i think most of any audience agrees, if the ukrainian people show the valor, courage, weapons, let them win. let's talk about what you've seen with your own eyes. we have seen pictures every night. we have a viewer alert. it's horrific and evil. you have seen the mass graves. we've seen what happened in mariupol. we see what happened just outside of kiev just in the last two days. you have seen hospitals targeted, neighborhoods wiped

out. apartment buildings wiped out. i want to know what you've seen. how bad is it with your eyes that you sign. >> as you talked about, i was there originally in november. i went back and was there, whatever it is, the 37, whatever it is days ago when this invasion started more a coupledation. i went back last week. it was two weeks ago. my time gets screwed up with this trail to lviv. you know, i -- when i met with president zelensky, my colleagues and i making the documentary, when we went to meet with him, with us midday. you know, we knew there were rockets that were targeting areas just outside of kiev. that there were air raids, sirens. ultimately -- when we came out

of where we met with him, there was a black-out in the city. because of concerns about rockets. we were encouraged not to use our automobile. to drive back because the lights could draw rocket fire. we walked. because of the experience of what this fight was about and seeing it in the faces of leadership and not, the only thing we talked about, the only thing we felt was the deepest sense of heart break first for the ukrainians who were going to fight the mamed, the injured in a war of attrition. but very quickly i thought this one, this one, my children are going to feel if this thing is not won. they're going to feel it in tangible ways in their life.

our children in america. this is -- you and i can argue all day and i look at you and i think you believe in your country in this way. i believe it in mine. i think it's at risk. the great dream of it, the aspiration with all of its diversity. ukrainians have a lot of diverse thought over there, too. i think we're really at risk if we let the greatest, most historic in our lifetime fight for democracy against a gigantic super power of a military intimidation -- >> sean: they've done amazingly well. outmanned, outgunned. >> that's what i felt from my time there. going back, the trip to lviv, which -- with the documentary team, driven by the work with core because we have 200 staff in and out of ukraine, poland, romania. which i will make a call for

help. we need -- we have incredible refugee, ukrainians working with us in that 200. we have ukrainian citizens of poland and romania and others. half of our staff, there are now hired up just since this time, ukrainians. what -- that trip was targeted on how to get supplies in to -- by the way, just for your audience, there's been a little shift here in the humanitarian world, which is that up to level 4 vests, body armor, that is approved for humanitarian organizations -- >> sean: and i will say, countries -- poland has been the most impressive in this. they've been the bravest and drawn the most population.

here's what i want to say about zelensky. i've been very critical over the ukrainian government. it stinks to high heaven. separate issue for a separate day. i watched this comedian get elected on ending corruption platform. this all starts unfolding. i'll tell you what impressed me about him. you met him. i haven't. there's been many leaders in the world in similar situations as he's been in, offered asylum, even offered asylum here's by my sources. they get in a private jet, pack it with cash, sold and silver, high heeled shoes and get their ass out. he didn't do that. he put on his body armor and went around the world begging for help from the world. not boots on the ground. he's asking for munitions and humanitarian assistance. that impresses me.

most -- many other leaders wouldn't have done that. i'll give you the last thought on him and what you think they need the most. i'll let you sum it up. >> i talked to the mayor of kyiv, former world heavyweight champion. >> sean: i read about them. >> this was in november. this is somebody that very well could have run against zelensky in the next election and perhaps beaten him. we talked to a lot of people that seem to be the consensus that this would be competitive. he didn't have a lot of praise for the president. tonight, as we're sitting here, that same very powerful figure, klitchko has enlisted in president zelensky that commander-in-chief's military. he's in the fight. so that tells you everything. this is leadership.

we talked about leadership, we talked to leaders. no one on the planet has been tested in leadership like this one human being. >> sean: you're really emotional about this. >> yeah. >> sean: as a conservative, forget our political differences, i don't want to see one more dead kid in the street, one more innocent woman or man dead. i don't want to see more images in my lifetime of mass graves like we're seeing. >> there or in chicago for that matter. >> sean: anywhere. i don't want to see it. we can fix all of these problems if we have the will and the desire to. we're the greatest country on earth. i think ukrainians will win. western europe and america has to supply them with the weapon to win. that is following the reagan doctrine even though you don't care about doctrine. you know what the hannity doctrine is? if you invade a sovereign

country, you forfeit you're right to lead a country and you forfeit your right to live. meaning vladimir putin has forfeited his right to live. last word. >> i think what would be most interesting about that conversation is ask those generals, those military commanders in russia, that have also been sanctioned and going to the united states for education or england or other places. i am -- i don't want to invest in the conversation, not that i don't have it privately about my feelings about what direct action should happen to a leader that does that. but if there is a god, there will be vengeance beyond all possible comprehension. >> sean: vengeance is mine sayeth the lord quoted in a famous book. i hope this war ends soon and i hope they are victorious and i

hope put tin gets pit back in the grave that he deserves for doing this and i hope it stops here. >> by the way, you're never going to do it, but you're invited -- you're invited -- you'll never talk politics with me will you? >> i don't know. we're in a different -- >> sean: it wasn't bad. do you trust me now more than you did? >> i'm not going to weigh-in on the putin thing. >> sean: you said -- i don't trust you. that's what you said to me. did i keep my word? >> you absolutely kept your word. >> sean: so why don't you trust me? >> you know what happens? there's a lot of physical therapy necessary after a big car accident. don't get it done in a day. >> sean: our prayers are with

innocent victims of this conflict that are dying. i wish you luck. >> and the heros we're fighting for. >> sean: next time we'll battle over hugo chavez or something fun. thank you nor being with us. >> thank you. >> sean: thanks. all right. when we come back, we'll continue to follow important -- his work in ukraine. here with more, fox news contributor newt gingrich is with us. mr. speaker, thanks for being with us. you and i go back a long way. i had the honor of emceeing the night you became speaker. the reagan doctrine means something to us and the trump doctrine means something to us. something that you and i share in common. your thoughts on the conversation and more. >> well, i have to say, i think that may have been one of the most impactful and amazing interviews of your entire career. when i came in and was getting

made up -- >> sean: donald trump will be mad if he's watching. >> that was sean penn. and you two had an intelligent, serious ukrainian focussed conversation that i think is as good as anything you'll ever do. it's just truly a remarkable half hour of history-making television. >> sean: mr. speaker, you're a end from. you're very kind. i do feel strongly the west is not doing the two key things that are needed. ukrainians are showing us that they can win. they only want the weaponry. yet western europe is still will not wean itself off of oil. they're setting up a task force, mr. speaker. we don't node a task force. we need oil and gas supplies delivered anyway possible to cut off putin's money.

>> look, i think if the biden administration were in any way in touch with reality, they would open up american oil and gas. they would active through create more liquefied natural gas ports. they would make it easy for the europeans to get off dependence on russia. there's a lot of things you can do. one of the things which the congress should do is pass a law which says that nothing in the iranian negotiations should allow the russians to avoid sanctions. what you have right now is such total hypocrisy in the biden white house where they say strong things about putin, he's a war criminal, he's a murderer, he ought to be tried for war crimes. at the same time, the number 1 person negotiating with iran is a russian and their goal is to get us to agree to give up all of the sanctions as relates to

iran. if the u.s. congress would say no, we're serious about sanctioning russia, we're not going to give them a loop hole, that would be a very powerful signal. lastly something that you said and sean penn agreed with, where are the jets in where are the tanks? where are the anti-ship missiles? why are we allowing ukrainians to die while politicians keep talking. as an american, it's humiliating and embarrassing as a country. >> sean: mr. speaker, bill very honest. two things that have surprised me in this conflict. number 1, the will of the ukrainian people and the ability to fight an insurgeonsy war outmanned, outgunned. i thought like many others, i think, that putin would roll in and roll out and basically be

unopposed. that was not the case. to have a shortage of the weaponry that they need is unconscionable to me because they'll win. i'm convinced now if the urgency gets to western european nations and washington d.c., i believe putin loses. that would be good for the world. but the moment is now. i'd like to see that ramp up very quickly and also like to see the west stop ever taking anything from putin and making him rich and russia rich again. >> well, first of all, you may remember one point we talked about the 40 mile long column. i said test, think of it as targets, not the threat. that's because you could sense that the ukrainians even early on were just faster, smarter, better organized than the russians. they were beginning to cause

real damage. but in addition to that, what you have, and i think we need a complete total overhaul of our intelligence system. there were totally wrong about afghanistan. they were totally wrong about ukraine. you may remember that general milley, the worst claim of the joint chiefs in american history, said oh, putin will be in kyiv in three days. it wasn't true. i think putin thought it would be true. i think the russians came down sloppily, assuming arrogantly that ukrainians would collapse and zelensky is going to become a figure of churchillian proportions. zelensky has turned out to be a great national leader of the kind that we need in the united states and do not have. i think as a result, he's going to change the hinge of history back towards democracy, back towards freedom and back towards the need to be honest about the

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. >> sean: tonight more big breaking news about hunter biden. we're learning the white house chief of staff ron klain reached out to hunter biden back in september 2012 for help in raising $20,000 for the vice president's residence foundation telling hunter keep this low, low key. apparently concerned about bad p.r. that is not all. because according to miranda divine, a witness that testified before the hunter biden grand jury was asked to identify who is the big guy in hunter's deal with the chinese energy company. remember, according to hunter biden's former business partner tony bobulinski, the big guy would be joe biden who reached out to the white house for comment. jen psaki is yet to circle back. what a shock. here fox news contributor, miranda divine, former u.s. attorney, brett tollman. miranda, you know about this than anything. we know that the big guy is joe.

we know hunter wined and e-mails about having to pay his father's bills. we know because we have pictures that when joe biden told the nation that he had never had any knowledge of hunter's foreign business dealings, that's not true. because we have pictured of joe, hunter and some of his foreign business partners. now with this grand jury asking that question about joe biden, does that mean he's implicated? >> well, he certainly is involved. all the evidence points to that. it's really unusual that you have ron klain, the president's chief of staff, coming out on sunday and saying that, you know, the president has full confidence that his son has done nothing wrong. anyway, it has absolutely nothing to do with joe biden. what ron klain should have really said, want to stop the story for now was to say that,

well, look, there's an john going investigation in delaware and lets it take's course. he didn't say that. today jen psaki was asked by peter doocy if the president stood by his claims if he knew anything about hunter biden's overseas business dealings. she said yesterday. we had another white house spokesperson answer another question when she was asked does the president still stand by his statement in that last debate against donald trump that his son hunter never received any money from china. the answer was yes. as reason johnson -- chuck grassley and ron johnson have been showing us in the senate, they're putting up the receipts, the money that's been shown by the treasury department, by banks, you can see the money

trail. millions of dollars going into the bank accounts of hunter biden and his business partners. so it's not feasible to continue to hold this line. >> sean: as i look at this, what is your take? miranda, more specifically, is this evidence that could get somebody arrested in your view? >> look, i mean, i'm not going to say that. all we know is that the delaware grand jury is looking into hunter biden for alleged tax evasion, money laundering and violation of foreign lobbying rules. these are all criminal offenses if proven. there's a lot of evidence. you know, the fact that we have the grand jury asking witnesses and showing them exhibits and then asking them to identify who is the big guy, that tells you they're pulling on those strings. as i know having spent so many months exploring the laptop, hunter biden's abandoned lab

top, when you stop pulling those strings, at the end of them is joe biden. this is an influence pedalling scheme around the world and the product that he's selling -- >> sean: yeah. let me go to brett. you're watching this unfold. if i was the bidens, i'd be really uncomfortable. i think questions, ethical questions about china, russia, ukraine, kazakhstan impact joe biden. your take. >> sean, this is not complex crime -- this evidence is starting to amount to. this is a scheme and a conspiracy among family members to leverage joe biden's political position to bring in money and then divvy out the proceeds. federal grand juries across this country are indicting individuals in conspiracies of money laundering and racketeering with less evidence than what is starting to unfold

from this laptop, from bobulinski and others. james biden, joe biden, jill biden, hunter, they auld should have search warrants that should be executed. fisa warrants should have already been issued to understand the connections with china. this is one in which a prosecutor walks into the grand jury with the utmost confidence with this kind of evidence. >> sean: we have to roll. when we come back, breaking news on durham that you'll want to hear next.

>> laura: all right. tonight a huge development in the durham prosecution of clinton lawyer michael sussmann. the special counsel reveals that sussmann lied when he told the fbi general counsel that he was not working on behalf of any

client or company. of course susman was working on behalf of the clinton campaign. according to durham, sussmann sent baker a text message with the lie meaning that it is all in writing. uh-oh. here with reaction, former white house chief of staff, mark meadows and just the news.com founder, john solomon. start with you with the news part and get to mark with analysis. >> first off you find out there's written evidence that michael sussmann lied. he wrote the fbi.here's the big news. he called the clinton campaign, the law firm, the research with gps confusion. he called it a joint venture to get this information, try to get donald trump investigated on false allegations. the first time he used the c word. >> sean: and everything that we said on this program, reported

for almost three years on this for example has been vindicated by the inspector general and seems to be now being vindicated even further by john durham. i just wish this report would get done. >> i think all americans want the report to get done. we want him to be thorough and one of the things that you mentioned, you and john solomon covered this. a couple of other nuggets to looked at. the date of this particular text came at a very critical time when there was all kinds of other things with the steel dossier, parts of it coming out. here's the other thing. it says that it is time sensitive. why would this information be time sensitive if it didn't have a political narrative? or if it wasn't attached to perhaps another foya request? you know, we're going in and looking at information and looking at where we actually go

with this particular investigation. a real problem. >> sean: where do you see this headed, john? you have been at the tip of the spear. >> yeah, we couldn't have done it without mark meadows and people like jim jordan. it's going to lay out all the events in the various filings durham identifies as part of this condition, this joint venture. >> sean: you used the word conspiracy. will it get to the top? >> a tweet from hillary clinton saying if she tweeted out false information, she's part of the conspiracy. >> sean: thanks, john and mark. when we come back, more hannity. ♪ it's the most wonderful time of the year, ♪ claritin provides non-drowsy symptom relief from over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens, day after day. feel the clarity - and make today the most wonderful time of the year. live claritin clear.

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you can go to the website. coreresponse.org to learn more. as always, we thank you for being with us. you make this show possible. can't thank you enough. set your dvr so you never miss and episode. laura ingraham is next. she will take it from here. have a great night. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. obama can't save him. that's the focus of tonight's angle. now, there was raucous applause at the white house today. it wasn't for joe's handling of covid or russia or the economy. it was because the real star was back in town. barack obama. >> please welcome president barack obama. [applause]